The other day at work a co-worker of mine told me rather
certainly that St. Louis Cardinals catcher Yadier Molina would be a future
baseball hall of famer. I gave a “are you kidding?” laugh, chalked it up to him
being a Cardinals homer and said there was no way Molina had a shot at being a
hall of famer.
I texted my friend Bobby, the smartest guy I know (other
than myself, of course) when it comes to baseball, that my co-worker floated
the idea of Molina as hall of famer. Bobby’s reply frankly stunned me. He
texted: “Very likely if he continues to play like he has over the past few
seasons … but, I wouldn’t call it a guarantee.” Even the name Yadier Molina and
the words “very likely hall of famer” in the same sentence dumbfounded me.
I figured if Bobby thought there was a shot I might as well
look into it a little further.
The best way to determine whether or not Molina is a future
hall of famer is to, of course, compare him to hall of fame players at his
position. There has to be some caveats, though, for the comparisons to be fair
or ring true. For instance, hall of fame catchers before the modern era of
baseball who played in the dead ball era before 1920 couldn’t be thrown into
the mix, because the lack of offense from that era would skew the numbers. This
eliminates hall of fame catchers like Roger Bresnahan and Ray Schalk.
That leaves us with 10 hall of fame catchers who’ve played
the game of baseball since 1920. Those catchers are (in order of induction): Mickey
Cochrane, Bill Dickey, Gabby Hartnett, Roy Campanella, Yogi Berra, Rick
Ferrell, Ernie Lombardi, Johnny Bench, Carlton Fisk and Gary Carter.
Let’s start with the average age of these hall of fame
catchers when they played their last full season (100 games or more) as a
catcher. Because of the wear and tear of the catcher position, which hasn’t
changed all that much over the years (although it may in the future with the
elimination of running over catchers at home plate), the average age a hall of
fame catcher plays to is only 35, and that number was actually skewed a little
higher than it should be by freak of nature Carlton Fisk, who was an everyday
catcher until the age of 43 (the next closest hall of famer at the age of his
final full-time season as catcher was Ernie Lombardi, who was six years Fisk’s
junior at the end). If you were to take Fisk out of the equation (a reasonable
thing to do given his six extra years is a whopping total) the average age of a
hall of fame catcher at his final full-time season would be a full season
earlier at age 34.
Yadier Molina is currently 31 years old and will turn 32
during the halfway point of the 2014 MLB season. Based on the standards for his
position we have to believe Molina only has four or five (and five is likely a
stretch) years remaining as a full-time catcher. In fact, Molina (who’s likely
seen the most playing time of any catcher over the last decade) is already
starting to show some wear and tear when it comes to injuries, even if his
offensive numbers have climbed over the last few years.
So, what are the average offensive numbers for a catcher in
the baseball hall of fame?
The average hall of fame catcher gets around 1,882 base hits
in his career in 6,593 at-bats, giving him an average of .285. This is almost
identical to Molina’s career average of .284 (1,183 for 4,165) after nine full
seasons. Now, Molina’s average is likely to fall a few percentage points over
the late years of his career (as you’d expect from any major leaguer), but likely
won’t fall below .280, which would give him a higher career average than hall
of famers like Johnny Bench (.267) and Carlton Fisk (.269). I expect Molina to
finish his career with a batting average akin to hall of fame catchers. I also
suspect that he will have around the same amount of career hits as the average
hall of famer. Molina has averaged 127 hits per season for his career and
giving him four to five more seasons of everyday play would put him around
1,691 to 1,818 for his career, certainly not hall of fame averages for any
other position, but for a catcher it’ll do.
Everybody who’s seen baseball over the years knows that
Molina is not a power hitter, but even though catcher is historically not a
power position the average hall of fame catcher hit long balls at a higher rate
than Molina. The average hall of fame catcher hit 246 career home runs and this
number is skewed drastically by Rick Ferrell (often considered the most
egregious hall of fame selection, and one made by the veteran’s committee and
not Baseball Writers Association of America) who’s 28 career homers are tied
with shortstop Ozzie Smith for the least of any position player hall of famer whose
career came after the dead ball era. The next lowest hall of fame catcher in
home runs was Mickey Cochrane (who had his career drastically cut short by
injury), who hit a huge 91 more homers than Ferrell. Without Ferrell’s measly
total, the average for a hall of fame catcher becomes 270 (more than a season’s
worth of homers than it is with Ferrell). If you exclude Ferrell and add the
numbers of Mike Piazza and Ivan Rodriguez, who should be no-brainer hall of
famers and likely one day will be, the average goes to 289. You may say Piazza
and Rodriguez played during an era of inflated numbers, but both are generally
considered to have been clean (and I won’t make accusations otherwise) and
Piazza’s 427 homers (most ever by a catcher) aren’t alarmingly more than Bench’s
389 or Fisk’s 376. Rodriguez’s 311 (over a longer than average career) would
only be ranked sixth among hall of famers if he were currently inducted.
After nine seasons, Molina has 89 career homers, or an
average of 10 per season. Homers could (maybe should) go down with age, but we’ll
give Molina 40 to 50 more for his career giving him a total of 129 to 139. If
you account for the fact that Cochrane was already out of the league due to
injury by Molina’s current age, Molina would have the fewest homers of any
catcher if he were to be inducted.
How about RBI?
The average for hall of fame catchers is 1,116 RBI, which
would also go up slightly if you threw in Piazza and Rodriguez’s numbers.
Molina is currently sitting at 546 RBI for his career. He averages 59 RBI a
season. Using his career averages I foresee Molina finishing his career with
around 782 to 841 RBI. This means that Molina would finish his career with
around 300 fewer RBI than the average hall of fame catcher, which might not
seem like a lot, but you have to realize that’s at least four to five seasons
for a catcher of hall of fame status.
Now, you might be thinking that Molina’s last few seasons
(the ones according to Bobby he’d have to maintain to be a hall of famer) are
higher than his career averages and that would be correct. However, the numbers
don’t jump drastically enough to make up for 300 fewer RBI and 150 fewer home
runs, and it isn’t even close. Also, almost no player in Major League Baseball
maintains his career high averages toward the end of his career.
It’s not a prerequisite for a hall of fame catcher to have
won a Most Valuable Player award, but the majority have (60 percent). It would
seem unlikely at this point in his career and given the average numbers of MVP
players that Molina would ever win a MVP. Even if he did, it wouldn’t matter
because of many of the other reasons listed in this piece.
Molina has also rarely if ever been considered the best
overall catcher in the game during his career. That honor has typically gone to
Joe Mauer for much of Molina’s career and Molina has had to battle with Brian McCann
and recently Buster Posey to even be considered the best in his own league.
This is something that hall of fame voters look at as hugely significant, and
every hall of fame catcher (with the likely exception of Rick Ferrell) was
considered the best at their time in baseball or at least their league.
Offensively, Yadier Molina isn’t a hall of fame catcher. If
Ted Simmons couldn’t make the hall of fame with career numbers of .285 (the
average for a HOF catcher), 248 homers (two higher than the current average) and
1,389 RBI (way above the average and second most among all catchers in MLB
history) than no way can Molina. In fact, Simmons finished his career with the
most hits in baseball history by a catcher with 2,472 (Ivan Rodriguez since
passed him) and didn’t even sniff the hall of fame, receiving less than four
percent of the vote in his only year on the ballot and falling off. Based on
his numbers, Simmons should be a no-brainer hall of famer and he trumps Molina
in every category but defense.
Ah, there it is … defense.
Molina has never been known for his offense, but has as long
as he’s played been considered the premiere defensive catcher and game-caller
in the league.
Let’s start with game-caller. Do you think hall of fame
voters would even for one second take game-calling into consideration? I hope
you’re not thinking hard on this, because it wouldn’t even cross their mind
(whether it should or not).
So, down to defense (which both my co-worker and Bobby
thought would be the thing to tip Molina into possible hall of fame territory).
Yadier Molina’s defense is at hall of fame level, in my
opinion. He may be the greatest defensive catcher to ever play the game. There
really aren’t too many ways to quantify this, though, and hall of fame voters
aren’t spending too much time on defense anyway. Basically what you have to go
by here are number of Gold Gloves won and defensive WAR (wins above
replacement), despite the fact that I’m not a huge fan of Sabermetrics.
Molina currently has six Gold Glove wins. Johnny Bench
finished his career with 10 Gold Gloves. Ivan Rodriguez finished his career
with 13 Gold Gloves. If Molina were to win the Gold Glove every year until the
end of his career (which, I believe, many would say is unlikely especially when
he ages) he would finish with around nine or 10. This puts him at Bench’s level
and a few behind Rodriguez. Gold Gloves may not always be the best argument or
representation of defense, but it’s one of the few defensive aspects hall of
fame voters are going to pay attention to. Even then it doesn’t matter a whole
lot, just ask Keith Hernandez what his 11 Gold Gloves or Jim Kaat what his 16
Gold Gloves did for them, and they both have more impressive numbers
respectively when it comes to their positions than Molina does overall.
When it comes to defensive WAR, Molina is currently behind
both Bench and Rodriguez (that along with the Gold Gloves tells us that Molina
is likely only the third best defensive catcher of all-time currently, if that,
because I’ve only included data from HOFers and those that should be). Molina’s
career averages show that he could likely pass Bench in this category, but
shouldn’t reach Rodriguez’s total. This means that it’s very unlikely that
Molina will retire as the greatest defensive player to ever play his position.
But, what if he did retire as the greatest defensive player
to ever play his position?
The chances of Molina’s induction into the hall of fame
would still be slim-to-none. Ozzie Smith is the only player in baseball’s
modern era that made the hall of fame mostly on the basis of his defense, but
even still Smith had nearly 2,500 base hits and stole 580 bases (which ranks
him in the top 25 all-time). Being the best defensively simply doesn’t make one
a hall of famer. I use Keith Hernandez as my example. He’s considered to be the
greatest defensive first baseman by far, and has the hardware to show it. He
was also talented with the bat hitting .296 for his career, with over 1,000 RBI
and 2,000 hits. He also won the 1979 National League Most Valuable Player. He
never got more than 10.8 percent of the vote.
Yadier Molina is a great player, one of the best of his era
at least defensively and is a generally likable person (which could help come
voting time), but he’s not going to get anywhere near the 75 percent needed to
make the hall of fame if guys like Hernandez and Simmons are only getting
4-to-11 percent.
Molina is going to fall into the category of very good
baseball player and likely one of the 25 greatest to ever play his position
when his career comes to an end, but he’ll have to settle for that and not
induction into Cooperstown.
Unfortunately, You are wrong! Yadier will be in the Hall one day! Count on it.
ReplyDeleteOK, 'Anonymous' ... what about Yadier Molina makes him a Hall of Famer?
ReplyDeleteYeah. Ok. Good letter to read at his induction ceremony. Almost everyone you ask in the game says he is the best catcher in the game. Not even close. And many say the best they have ever seen. So to say he may not even be the best in his Era is just silly. So crunch your numbers and spew your jargon, but in the end it won't matter. He will be in.
ReplyDeleteMolina's playing on a dominant team is the tipping point. History shows preference to post season players (think Reggie Jackson and Dave ConcepciĆ³n). As of now Molina has played 21 World Series games, and 80 post season games. In the post season he has batted .294, and in the World Series he batted .328.
ReplyDelete6 gold gloves, multiple All-Star appearances, member of 4 pennant-winners. The 9th-inner homer in Game 7 of the 2006 NLCS that drove a stake in the heart of the Mets and catapulted the Cards into the WS.
ReplyDeleteOn top of that, defense of historic levels.
He's not a lock now but a few more Gold Gloves and postseason appearances and he will be.
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Deleteyou also failed to mention how many runners he has caught stealing as well as the amount of runners he has picked off.
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DeleteHe has thrown out so many people it's close to cheating. Like when you make a player in MLB15 and give him 99 throw strength and accuracy. Well that's Yadi.
ReplyDeleteI am a hometowner of the St Louis cardinals and remember when we first called yadi up to the MLB but no one really recognized him because another future HOF'er came up that day Albert Pujols so that put yadi in a place to say" ok let me show you what i got St. Louis" so in his first start as catcher 7 guys tried to steal on him wanna know how many made it? none they were all unsuccessful and ever since he came up hes been a great player in the field or in the box and most people that don't think yadi will be a hall of famer need to look at some highlight reals so i think he will be a hall of famer same with adams wainwright # respect to number 4 and number 50
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ReplyDeleteSomebody with REAL baseball knowledge would know the numbers cant even come close to justifying the impact that Yadier Molina has on the game! The Cardinals would not have won either World Series without him! Not a great hitter, but a good one and one of the most clutch hitters in the game. And defensively, the best of all time! He's a coach on the field and he's the BEST at every aspect of catching.. calling the game, blocking balls in the dirt, throwing out baserunners, picking off baserunners, fielding, making great decisions, keeping pitchers calm.. He takes a backseat to NOBODY in those categories. In my opinion, Yadi is the best catcher of all time, and the best defensive player of all time.. But to anybody who knows baseball, he is no doubt the best fielding catcher of all time.. and that is hall of fame worthy in itself.. Yadier Molina should no doubt be a first ballot hall of famer!
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